Comments on: Nationalism vs. Patriotism /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/ But I fear more for Muninn... Thu, 16 May 2013 14:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.2 By: Kerim Friedman /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://muninn.net/blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism.html#comment-218 “Built into the self-understanding of the national state, there is this tension between the universalism of an egalitarian legal community and the particularism of a cultural community bound together by origin and fate.”

Habermas, Jürgen. “The European Nation-State – Its Achievements and Its Limits: on the Past and Future of Sovereignty and Citizenship.” In Mapping the nation, ed. Balakrishnan, Gopal. 281-94. New York: Verso, 1996. (p. 287)

Habermas believes that it is possible to replace the nationalism of a “cultural community” with an allegiance to a historical community united by its constitutional traditions. Completely idiotic of course, but the process by which he gets to this argument is interesting nonetheless.

Also worth reading:

Chatterjee, Partha. Nationalist Thought and the Colonial World: a Derivative Discourse? Minneapolis, MN: University of Minnesota Press, 1986.

Not to mention my forthcoming dissertation chapter on the subject…

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By: Kmlawson /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-219 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://muninn.net/blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism.html#comment-219 Thanks for the Habermas quote. I haven’t started my Habermas reading yet, but I will be certain to get to him.

I enjoyed Chatterjee even if I didn’t always agree with his approach. I posted an entry on him here:

http://www.muninn.net/blog/archives/000019.html

I have uploaded some notes from the book you mentioned, just quotes and passages I found interesting with page numbers, don’t know if it will be of use to anyone…

http://www.muninn.net/notes/chatterjee.html

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By: Claire /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://muninn.net/blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism.html#comment-220 Here’s something weird for you.

Last night I dreamt you were crawling around above a fireplace in an old style pub on a Portuguese island just off the Bering straits. The drinkers in the pub looked like they were waxworks but were actually alive. Strange. You also had a very high forehead and curly ginger hair.

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By: Siri /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://muninn.net/blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism.html#comment-221 Dream interpretation – just for fun:

He was probably trying to find an opening to get away from the smoke! :-) (Climbing the walls, so to speak). The drinkers looking like waxworks? Hmm, our hero being a T-totaller, perhaps that signifies the fact that he’s slightly different from them, while their actually being alive, signifies his total acceptance of them and never failing friendship. But why Bering straits? Must have to do with his non-stop travelling tendencies. Old style pub, waxworks, foreign location etc., and his crawling around above it all, could also signify his constant digging into the distant past?

The high forehead and curly hair does fit perfectly, by the way.

Siri

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By: Sayaka /blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://muninn.net/blog/2004/06/nationalism-vs-patriotism.html#comment-222 Michi, I was just reading a section on the rise of “nationalism” or 民族主義 in the Taiwanese society in my “Taiwan’s Nationalism” book, which says “雖然民族運動與民主運動並非全然無關,但也不是可以相互交替使用的概念。不少人認為,【只要說民主就好,不要講民族】;事實上,民主化並不能保證共同體的意識就會產生。其實,在異族的統治下,要獲得真正的民主,是很難想像的,也就是說,民族國家的建構是民主的必要條件】。” (施正鋒 ”台灣民族主義“ 前衛出版社, 2003, p.94) This book also talks about problems surrounding the idea of Taiwanese nationalism, which include conflicts between “Taiwanese” nationalism and the identity of each race.

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